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Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:15 am
by Watergirl
Interesting, Reitzel6570. Incidentally, there were two Webster Hall shows in 2012…. I happened to be at them (and they were exceptional). Proves my 'twat' status.
Edit: Belatedly realizing that you deliberately left out two night stands.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:18 am
by Rubber_Soul
Look at the list though everything played 6 times was a single, you expect singles to be played. I've seen Frank many times and sure I'd like to hear some different songs but that doesn't mean he can ditch his singles, the songs most people will know thanks to radio etc.., it's the same as me wanting to hear Paul McCartney play a set with just songs from 1990's onwards it simply isn't going to happen because most people in the audience want to hear Beatles songs and Band on the Run.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:08 am
by frank
Rubber_Soul wrote:Look at the list though everything played 6 times was a single, you expect singles to be played. I've seen Frank many times and sure I'd like to hear some different songs but that doesn't mean he can ditch his singles, the songs most people will know thanks to radio etc.., it's the same as me wanting to hear Paul McCartney play a set with just songs from 1990's onwards it simply isn't going to happen because most people in the audience want to hear Beatles songs and Band on the Run.
And that frog song abomination.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:15 am
by Evan
frank wrote:
Rubber_Soul wrote:Look at the list though everything played 6 times was a single, you expect singles to be played. I've seen Frank many times and sure I'd like to hear some different songs but that doesn't mean he can ditch his singles, the songs most people will know thanks to radio etc.., it's the same as me wanting to hear Paul McCartney play a set with just songs from 1990's onwards it simply isn't going to happen because most people in the audience want to hear Beatles songs and Band on the Run.
And that frog song abomination.

You have lost your fucking mind. The Frog Song is a work of poetic genius, Turner.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:24 am
by Rubber_Soul
I've been threatening the girlfriend that we'll have the Frog Chorus as our first dance, sooner or later she'll start to believe me.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:32 am
by Blonde
Evan wrote:
frank wrote:
Rubber_Soul wrote:Look at the list though everything played 6 times was a single, you expect singles to be played. I've seen Frank many times and sure I'd like to hear some different songs but that doesn't mean he can ditch his singles, the songs most people will know thanks to radio etc.., it's the same as me wanting to hear Paul McCartney play a set with just songs from 1990's onwards it simply isn't going to happen because most people in the audience want to hear Beatles songs and Band on the Run.
And that frog song abomination.

You have lost your fucking mind. The Frog Song is a work of poetic genius, Turner.
*goes off to post in 'Songs I'd like Frank To Cover' thread*

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:44 pm
by scottkeys
Its entirely possible that I have the largest sample size over the past few years and I can really say that I don't care what's on the set list. Going to see multiple shows for me is not just about the songs, its about the interaction with the crowd and the whole feeling in the venue. And Evan is the real attraction on the forum for me as well...

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:29 pm
by Watergirl
scottkeys wrote: its about the interaction with the crowd and the whole feeling in the venue.
I would agree with that alright Scott.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:48 pm
by DieselBenz
scottkeys wrote:Its entirely possible that I have the largest sample size over the past few years and I can really say that I don't care what's on the set list. Going to see multiple shows for me is not just about the songs, its about the interaction with the crowd and the whole feeling in the venue. And Evan is the real attraction on the forum for me as well...
I have to say I'm in the same camp as Scott here, though obviously without having been to nearly as many shows. I've heard I Still Believe 32 times but every time it gives me a rush ... every one was special because of different people, different cities, different venues. There are only three artists I will see over and over, and I do it because whatever they play, I'm just so happy to be there no matter if it's the same setlist I heard the night before. I've seen Arctic Monkeys 16 time this tour and they often play exactly the same setlist night to night (they kind of change it in chunks). But if I loved it one night (which I always do), I'll love it the next. Sure, I have some old or seldom-played songs I wish I could hear, and a few I kind of would just assume see swapped out for others ... but to me that's just not the focus. It's more about the energy on stage, the little moments that make each show unique, and just hearing great songs played right in front of your face. It makes sense to me that bands want to play songs that get the best crowd reaction, or that they feel are their sharpest or create the right balance, etc. Maybe I'm a bit too much of a Pollyanna about this sort of thing, but I consider myself extremely privileged to go to strings of shows, period, so I don't really care if the setlist is tailored to me.
At the risk of sounding like a kiss-ass, I think the balance on Frank's set is great anyway ... plenty of hits that the bulk of the crowd will enjoy with a couple of "wild cards" that spice it up a little for those seeing multiple shows. Plus he plays new songs all the time at the end of an album cycle ... that's about as exciting as you can get in a setlist if you ask me ... the possibility of hearing something no one's ever heard, or only a few people have.
Certainly I have some great memories of bands playing rarities. I.e., the time we begged Muse to play Dead Star which they hadn't played in the U.S. in 10 years and they did ... though honestly about 50 of us went nuts and the other 19,000 people in the crowd looked catatonic. That was special for us and I think fun for the band, but at the same time I can sure see why they don't do it every night given the whole crowd reaction. You don't notice when you're up front with your diehard friends, but I think for Frank or whoever's standing up on the stage, it's a different picture.
Basically, if there's an usual song in the setlist or something I haven't heard, yes, it excites me. But if there isn't, it never bothers me or makes me feel disappointed about the show. Usually it's the atmosphere, camaraderie and just how damn good all the songs are that keep me slugging all over the road to these things.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:37 pm
by jdc
One point that I'd be curious about is if Frank, playing a full-tour in a country like the US where his "fame" (I'm sure he hates that word) has been more recent, would be more or less likely to switch it up?

Someone made the point about him having singles - and in the UK, where he's been charting to some degree for five or six years, that's absolutely makes sense. For those in the US (correct me if I'm wrong), he really only started to get any regular commercial radio play last year with "Recovery" - and a DJ at my local station here in DC told me that's the only radio single being released from the album in the US (which is its own separate discussion, if true). I imagine most fans (who aren't "hardcores" like us) are more likely to be somewhat more familiar with songs for which there were videos they could watch on YouTube more easily, or those that appeared on the Last Minutes compilation because they haven't yet invested in the proper back catalog (like I was, when I finally saw Frank last year). That is certainly where the setlists tend, from my personal experience and from the "study" in this thread. But maybe in markets where Frank is a newer entity, there are more got to know Frank through other means. Frank, in the States (or maybe Scandinavia or who knows elsewhere), would there hypothetically be more or less of a chance to switch it up with a crowd that has perhaps formed their own favorites more organically rather than just being a commercial/singles driven crowd?

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:56 pm
by reitzel6570
DieselBenz wrote:I think the balance on Frank's set is great anyway ... plenty of hits that the bulk of the crowd will enjoy with a couple of "wild cards" that spice it up a little for those seeing multiple shows.
Just to be clear, this is how I feel too. The solo old/solo new slot on the last US run, and the regional cover slot last fall, were brilliant. There are always other songs that rotate in and out of the set. and most of the ones that repeat show after show are ones I want to hear repeatedly. I always leave with a gig-high, and that's what I keep coming back for. We're just having a discussion here -- one that Frank is probably really sick of hearing. Maybe we should talk about his attendance at Eton instead?

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:35 am
by darlenet.
frank wrote:And that frog song abomination.
NOOOO, you can't mean that! This was my kids' go-to "good night" song for a year. 365 nights. In a row. Sometimes on rewind.

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:28 am
by DieselBenz
reitzel6570 wrote:We're just having a discussion here -- one that Frank is probably really sick of hearing.
Oh definitely nothing wrong with having a discussion. And I'll admit I've got several "dream setlists" (with varying levels of fantasy) interspersed through little notebooks at work, so I do enjoy pondering what gets played. I will say, for whatever it's worth, the conversation here is markedly more respectful and open than the conversations I've heard on other bands' setlists ... not really surprisingly.

And I certainly don't have any doubt about you enjoying the shows. :D

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:56 am
by Evan
I am feeling a lot of love in the thread...

What some of you are forgetting is whether they were hit singles in your country or not (which they were not, as he is yet to have a hit single), those songs are more often than not the ones that got people into him. Sure, someone heard A Decent Cup Of Tea for the first time and went crazy for him, or any other of his monstrous stack of songs that weren't singles, but most did not. And, let's be honest here, Frank has his finger on the pulse of what his audience is looking for much more than you or I. He is the one who stands in the cold every night talking to people, and reads all the email, and sees the reaction from people when he plays the songs. Just because you might be a bit bored of I Still Believe means nothing. Go to the bar or something.

There has been tours when he altered the setlist from night to night. There has been tours when he didn't. And there will be both again. But when you're locked into a production, and all the stuff that goes with it - you can't just swap it all about every night with ease. There are considerations most people wouldn't ever even think about - like the key of the song, the tuning of the guitars, the lighting sequences, the fact that they may not have practised that song in a while. If you want to see a random set list, go to a solo show.

This is a subject that will never die. But the bottom line is that if you want to keep going to loads of shows, you're going to have to put up with hearing the same songs over and over again. It's basically the same deal with almost every band (the first person to mention Bruce Springsteen gets a punch in the balls).

Re: Opener / Setlist

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:09 am
by xandmatt
Rubber_Soul wrote:I've been threatening the girlfriend that we'll have the Frog Chorus as our first dance, sooner or later she'll start to believe me.
...Because you actually would. Whilst wearing braces. And a flat cap. In a tux.

Actually - DO THAT.