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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by Watergirl » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:24 pm

Roger Daltrey on the issue:
"People don't want new stuff," says Daltrey. "The fans might want that, but most people that want to come to a show want to hear what they grew up with. Let's not kid ourselves. We will always sell more tickets if we play the hits. That's a fact. The economics of the road, obviously, demand that you sell a lot of tickets."
Fans hoping to hear the Who break out rarities like The Who by Numbers deep cut "Slip Kid" are going to be disappointed. "It's easy for fans to stick their heads in the sand and not understand the economics of touring," Daltrey says. "It's incredibly expensive to put on a show, so you have to put bums in seats. There might be 40,000 total people in America who want to hear 'Slip Kid.' That won't be enough to put us on the road. That's the problem."

Makes me sad. I understand the logistics of it, but what's so terrible about challenging people for a couple of songs? It's kind of saying "The majority of our audience are dumb and are not open to anything new".
A prefer the Kate Bush way of doing things. Play mostly what you want and include some hits.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by Watergirl » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:08 pm

I guess Bob Dylan concerts are going to be free in that case.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by smige2 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:45 pm

It's funny that that article mentions Morrissey, because he's one artist that does tend to play more lesser-known material instead of the hits (apart from one or two big songs, like How Soon is Now and First of the Gang to Die, which are usually played at every gig). I saw Moz for the first time in Hyde Park in 2008, having only gotten into the Smiths that year, and only enjoyed bits of the set because I only knew about half the songs. Since then I've become quite obsessed with both the Smiths and his solo work, and now I would absolutely love to see him perform the setlist he played that night.

It's tricky, but I think it's about finding a balance - play the more well-known songs for casual fans and first-timers, but maybe slip in the occasional rarity to give something back to the die-hards.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by Watergirl » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:36 pm

The thing is, we weren't born knowing a certain amount of music. At some point you hear everything for the first time. Some things you like straightaway, other things may grow on you with repeated listens or are just not for you. Where does this leave new bands, whose stuff nobody knows?
The article is a spoof, but Roger Daltrey's comments that people only like what they know, are not.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by reitzel6570 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:31 pm

I want to hear new stuff. Smashing set in NYC last night with all new songs. So cool that it was live streamed.

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by Watergirl » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:38 pm

I just saw the Brooklyn setlist on setlist.fm. Now that's a show I would love to have been at.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by doug » Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:26 am

There is always someone new at each show, and there are just some songs that need to be played. I have managed to get my 13 year old daughter into Frank against all reasonable logic...she listens to a lot of current pop stuff (though her love of musicals is, though not shared by me, an interesting development), and we rarely see eye to eye musically. I love my 80's hardcore and post punk stuff and, obviously Mr. Turner, and she likes Oklahoma and Into the Woods and Taylor Swift and, amazingly, the same Mr. Turner. The Beatles have been the only common ground musically up until now.

She was supposed to go with me to the Phoenix show during Frank's mini-tour of Arizona during the Coachella trip, but she wound up having an unexpected rehearsal for a show she was in, and wasn't able to go with me to the Flagstaff show two days later. But one of these days, hopefully sooner than later, I am going to take her to see a show. And she would be broken if Prufrock was not played. She would also be absolutely slain if Love, Ire & Song was played, but she understands the idea of setlists and would not expect that.

The superfan who has seen Frank in the East, South, and North will be seeing Prufrock for the 73rd time. But my kid would be seeing it for the first time, and it would knock her out. Because she loves it, and because she is going in with a pretty strong belief that it will be played. Because, well...it is Prufrock.

And that is how the same damn old song that has been played over and over again to the point of near boredom for the band and bathroom trip familiarity for the superfan wins the day.

Setlists are an art. And also a function of reality...a band can only have so many songs rehearsed and ready to play at a high level on any given tour, and without huge sound checks and days off with luxury travel usually afforded only the biggest of the big, it can be a pain to add songs mid-tour. I am always impressed when a band with so many moving parts can go on tour with more than a consistent A and B setlist of songs ready to go.

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by SpyKi » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:55 am

reitzel6570 wrote:I want to hear new stuff. Smashing set in NYC last night with all new songs. So cool that it was live streamed.
Shit, where was that live streamed? Any way I could watch that now?

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by darlenet. » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:11 am

SpyKi wrote:
reitzel6570 wrote:I want to hear new stuff. Smashing set in NYC last night with all new songs. So cool that it was live streamed.
Shit, where was that live streamed? Any way I could watch that now?
Here you go:

http://youtu.be/3TMJpp9i_HM
shows? 90 so far...

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by Watergirl » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:42 am

Have lifted self-imposed ban of not listening to unreleased stuff and watched the entire gig. What an unexpected treat! Not unexpected that it's good, but to get such a generous helping of new material and a good recording to boot albeit with hoarse voice. Favourites after first listen: 'The opening act of spring', 'Get better' and 'Mittens'. Don't know Mineral but will check them out after these impassioned speeches.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by smige2 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:47 am

To listen or not to listen? Argh!
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by SpyKi » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:46 pm

darlenet. wrote:
SpyKi wrote:
reitzel6570 wrote:I want to hear new stuff. Smashing set in NYC last night with all new songs. So cool that it was live streamed.
Shit, where was that live streamed? Any way I could watch that now?
Here you go:

http://youtu.be/3TMJpp9i_HM
Thank you so much. I'm watching this now and it's great. Getting very excited for this next album. Get Better was fantastic, and Josephine has such a great bridge, I love the line about Halloween. I also love the grit in his voice on Get Better, he's sounding really passionate in both of these songs and it's great. Hope that translates to the recording.

The Opening Act of Spring is another standout, I really like what he's doing lyrically in these songs. It seems like he's gonna make a really great record. Plus I still love the idea and execution of Little Aphrodite/Mittens.

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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by darlenet. » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:08 pm

SpyKi wrote:Thank you so much. I'm watching this now and it's great. Getting very excited for this next album. Get Better was fantastic, and Josephine has such a great bridge, I love the line about Halloween. I also love the grit in his voice on Get Better, he's sounding really passionate in both of these songs and it's great. Hope that translates to the recording.

The Opening Act of Spring is another standout, I really like what he's doing lyrically in these songs. It seems like he's gonna make a really great record. Plus I still love the idea and execution of Little Aphrodite/Mittens.
You're welcome! I think these are the smartest, most clever lyrics I have heard. I can't think of anyone right now, whose lyrics are sharper. Also beyond thrilled for next album.
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Re: Opener / Setlist

Post by blastman » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:10 pm

Big Train nailed it (poor Ralph McTell!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVSTr7rb1_Y

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