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By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:31 am
by Watergirl
Hi Frank,
Metallica are doing this thing they call Metallica-By-Request whereby the audience gets to choose one song on the setlist. The way it works is that when you buy a ticket online the confirmation email has a code and a link through which you can vote (presumably to avoid NME "Laughing gnome" type vote hijacking). Amongst other things this has resulted in Helsinki concert goers voting for a song from a 1988 album that they had never played before. Would you ever consider doing something like that?

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:41 am
by Evan
I think the Metallica thing is a total con. Just three songs from the set are chosen by the audience, which is ridiculous if you are selling it as a "by request" show. Especially considering the fact the audience keep (miraculously) choosing Whiskey In The Jar almost every night.

Korn (whom I don't like any more than I do Metallica) did a much better thing where they said they would play 4 songs from each album and the audience voted for the whole thing. Again though, they ended up playing mostly the same stuff but it was a lot more to do with what the audience wanted to hear than this Metallica bollocks.

Frank has done request sets before at Lexapalooza. We charged everyone £1 to make a request, put them all in a hat and then Frank picked 7 or 8 during his set. Worked pretty well.

By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:42 am
by Danlechief
Is it from a small handful of choices, or open to anything? Because it seems a touch confusing to me, if it's truly a free choice then you could pick anything, but the people choosing romantic fatigue are gonna be outweighed by the people choosing photosynthesis. It's gonna be in the set anyway making it an exercise in futility. Tell me more please!

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:46 am
by Evan
Evan wrote:I think the Metallica thing is a total con. Just three songs from the set are chosen by the audience, which is ridiculous if you are selling it as a "by request" show. Especially considering the fact the audience keep (miraculously) choosing Whiskey In The Jar almost every night.

Korn (whom I don't like any more than I do Metallica) did a much better thing where they said they would play 4 songs from each album and the audience voted for the whole thing. Again though, they ended up playing mostly the same stuff but it was a lot more to do with what the audience wanted to hear than this Metallica bollocks.

Frank has done request sets before at Lexapalooza. We charged everyone £1 to make a request, put them all in a hat and then Frank picked 7 or 8 during his set. Worked pretty well.

Hold on…I just looked again…the audience for Metallica get a choice of THREE songs, of which they will play just one.

Fuck that. And fuck them. Dreadful band.

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:53 am
by Danlechief
Evan wrote:
Evan wrote:I think the Metallica thing is a total con. Just three songs from the set are chosen by the audience, which is ridiculous if you are selling it as a "by request" show. Especially considering the fact the audience keep (miraculously) choosing Whiskey In The Jar almost every night.

Korn (whom I don't like any more than I do Metallica) did a much better thing where they said they would play 4 songs from each album and the audience voted for the whole thing. Again though, they ended up playing mostly the same stuff but it was a lot more to do with what the audience wanted to hear than this Metallica bollocks.

Frank has done request sets before at Lexapalooza. We charged everyone £1 to make a request, put them all in a hat and then Frank picked 7 or 8 during his set. Worked pretty well.

Hold on…I just looked again…the audience for Metallica get a choice of THREE songs, of which they will play just one.

Fuck that. And fuck them. Dreadful band.
Yeah sounds like it's pretty much a waste of time. It's much cooler to wait and go to shows with anticipation if hearing your favourite track. I went to about 15 frank gigs before I got to hear this town ain't big enough for the one of me at winchester this year. And I lost my shit when I finally got to hear it live!!

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:12 am
by Watergirl
I did mention it is only one song per show……
The question is not really about whether or not we like Metallica.

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:43 am
by SanDimas1988
I know this isn't the sort of thing you're talking about, you're asking more about a formalized thing, but I've seen Frank a couple times where the audience just keeps yelling out requests between every song, so he threw out the setlist and just started playing requests.

For some reason he told me to go fuck myself when I requested Mo'squitoz.

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:34 pm
by marowak
I'm looking forward to not watching Metallica at Glastonbury.

Re: By request

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:56 pm
by drinkthesunshinezine
I think that Less Than Jake used to spin a wheel. That's a good idea.

Re: By request

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:22 am
by smithyramfan
I remember Muse did a similar thing a few years back when I went to see them, if I remember correctly nearly all the shows got the same song.

I prefered the Beans on Toast method of requests at an arena show

Re: By request

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:19 am
by 5711
Hey Guys, new poster here, have been a reader for a while though.

Just wanted to give you a heads up on some of the very wide of the mark statements flying about this thread.
Evan wrote:
Evan wrote:I think the Metallica thing is a total con. Just three songs from the set are chosen by the audience, which is ridiculous if you are selling it as a "by request" show. Especially considering the fact the audience keep (miraculously) choosing Whiskey In The Jar almost every night.

Korn (whom I don't like any more than I do Metallica) did a much better thing where they said they would play 4 songs from each album and the audience voted for the whole thing. Again though, they ended up playing mostly the same stuff but it was a lot more to do with what the audience wanted to hear than this Metallica bollocks.

Frank has done request sets before at Lexapalooza. We charged everyone £1 to make a request, put them all in a hat and then Frank picked 7 or 8 during his set. Worked pretty well.

Hold on…I just looked again…the audience for Metallica get a choice of THREE songs, of which they will play just one.

Fuck that. And fuck them. Dreadful band.
Sorry but this is completely incorrect. Out of the bands 140 or so songs, ticket holders for each show got to vote on all of them and the top 17 or so that got most votes were put on the setlist. Metallica reserved one spot for themselves each night to showcase their new tune. For another twist, the fans were able to vote for a 'vote of the day' song, in which voting was left running right up until the show itself.

So its actually a pretty good idea for the fans to get involved. Whether its been a success or not is up for debate. Surprisingly the old classics that are a staple of the usual setlists still got voted in, most likely down to people seeing the band for the first time wanting to see them. Thought some rarities still got in there every now or then.

Re: By request

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:27 am
by Watergirl
Thanks for clarifying that, 5711. I am not a huge Metallica fan but I do like them and am looking forward to seeing them at Glastonbury. I caught them at Roskilde last year and they were excellent.
One would hope that rarities get voted in with such a system, but of course it won't always work out that way.
On this forum people have often mentioned that they would love to hear 'Fisher king blues'. I would vote for that for example.
Frank has explained on here before that he constructs set lists with the majority of the audience in mind, and not the handful of people who go to multiple shows. In fairness there always are two or three songs that differ from night to night, which is great if you go to multiple shows. A vote would add a kind of audience participation element to it.
Bruce Springsteen of course does this all the time, by taking sign requests. It's fun sitting in the queue and seeing everybody with markers and cardboard working on their signs. Sometimes he will take a sign for something you knew he was likely to play anyway, but it has also resulted in genuine rarities being played, that they quickly work out before playing them, right on the stage. Great to witness.
Elvis Costello used to use a spinning wheel. Don't know about that. I don't think randomness is a great idea for a setlist.

Re: By request

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:56 am
by 5711
Yeah, Ive spoken to a number of the die-hard Metallica fans that were disappointed rarer songs weren't voted in, but your'e exactly right, not everyone going to the gig will have seen them a million times before! And on normal tours, they do rotate 4 or 5 songs a night. Ive seen Springsteen a few times and the sign system never gets old! Great way to get crowd participation in there.

As for Glastonbury and Metallica, Im sure they will put on a great show. Im sure people in the audience who aren't convinced will have a good time regardless and hopefully be able to appreciate a rock show when they see one. Just to note, their Glastonbury show will be the only show this tour that the 'by request' idea wont be in use. As its such a renowned occasion they presumably want to do things their own way.

Re: By request

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:28 pm
by reitzel6570
Watergirl wrote:... whereby the audience gets to choose one song on the setlist.
I think he sort of does this informally based on the email requests he gets. This small US tour that's going on now has seen some nice rarities pulled out.
5711 wrote:Ive seen Springsteen a few times and the sign system never gets old!
This has been debated endlessly on the Springsteen forums. I love the sign request portion of the show. I've never heard a louder roar at one of his shows then when he plucked Santa out of the crowd in CT a couple of weeks ago. But...I also hate that some people hold up giant signs the entire show blocking other people's view. Let's not start the sign think at FT/SS shows.

Re: By request

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:18 am
by valderie
Yeah I definitely don't like the idea of signs at FT shows, that seems very inconsiderate to your fellow fan