The riots and their consequences

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The riots and their consequences

Post by smige2 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:53 pm

Sensitive topic, but I must ask: to what extent do you think the destruction of PIAS' stock likely to affect independent record labels? Is this really going to be the death of them, or is there a chance they could rebuild and continue? Will Xtra Mile be able to keep going?

I'd also be interested to hear your thoughts on the riots more generally - what do you feel caused them, and how should we respond?
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Post by frank » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:12 am

the fallout from the PIAS fire is hard to predict. obviously everyone's talking about it right now. everyone wants to get things back on their feet. the worry is, that indie labels were stretched so thin already, in many cases it might not be possible to recover. i can't speak for XMR directly, though I'd say they're a label more likely to be OK.

lots of people (twitter etc.) have been saying "buy records to support damaged indie labels", which is fine and admirable, though I have to say that the same advice has been valid for nearly a decade now. people who listen to indie music tend to illegally download more than many others, and that's wrecked many labels already.

i don't want to be overly pessimistic about this, but it's not a particularly rosy time for indie music in general, and recent events don't exactly help.

In terms of the riots more generally, well, obviously there's a serious disconnect somewhere in our society. personally i get a little bored with people talking about deprivation - historically and geographically, anyone born anywhere in Britain today has more freedom, opportunity, less disease, war, poverty and squalor than pretty much anyone. the problem is, in my opinion, more to do with a failure to explain to some people how our society works, to educate people as to the moral framework we live in. the whole thing of blaming consumerism is bogus - everyone is surrounded by shiny stuff they want but can't afford, some people react to that with aspiration, some with violence. we need to think about why some people behave with (frankly mind-blowing) disregard for the world around them. that's a long a difficult question to answer.

on a personal level, friends and family of mine were in fear for their safety on Monday night, and i'm pretty angry about the whole thing. i did write a short song about it yesterday, but then felt a bit 6th form about the whole thing. still pondering.
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Post by skhmmxi » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:53 am

frank wrote:i did write a short song about it yesterday, but then felt a bit 6th form about the whole thing. still pondering.
That sounds like a bad idea. There have been a number of musicians on the radio lately discussing songs they've written about the riots. In their case it sounds opportunistic (I'd never heard of any of them), but given that you seem to have finally managed to get the "I'm not a protest singer" message out there, I think you'd undo all that good work by releasing a song discussing the riots. IMHO.

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Post by frank » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:23 am

skhmmxi wrote:
frank wrote:i did write a short song about it yesterday, but then felt a bit 6th form about the whole thing. still pondering.
That sounds like a bad idea. There have been a number of musicians on the radio lately discussing songs they've written about the riots. In their case it sounds opportunistic (I'd never heard of any of them), but given that you seem to have finally managed to get the "I'm not a protest singer" message out there, I think you'd undo all that good work by releasing a song discussing the riots. IMHO.
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Post by DaveHughes » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:34 am

or realise it as Francis E Rutner's debut single, your political songwriter alias ala Tom Morello's Nightwatchman ;)

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Post by h26 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:42 pm

frank wrote: In terms of the riots more generally, well, obviously there's a serious disconnect somewhere in our society. personally i get a little bored with people talking about deprivation - historically and geographically, anyone born anywhere in Britain today has more freedom, opportunity, less disease, war, poverty and squalor than pretty much anyone. the problem is, in my opinion, more to do with a failure to explain to some people how our society works, to educate people as to the moral framework we live in. the whole thing of blaming consumerism is bogus - everyone is surrounded by shiny stuff they want but can't afford, some people react to that with aspiration, some with violence. we need to think about why some people behave with (frankly mind-blowing) disregard for the world around them. that's a long a difficult question to answer.
could you make this into a song? education via music?
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Post by smige2 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:01 pm

Thanks for your reply. I do hope the indie labels can pull through this - perhaps what's happened will alert people to the state they've been in and encourage people to support them more. Agree with you on the deprivation issue - it annoys me that some people are treating this like justification for the riots when there are people with far worse prospects who have never behaved so moronically.

I'd be interested to hear that song (perhaps if you're worried about the stigma it could be a fans-only thing? Haha). I wrote a song myself in July having a go at rioting/violent protest and played it live for the first time on the night before the riots all kicked off, which was a bit weird. I'd been planning to record it round about now and I still intend to, though I'll have to make it clear it wasn't intended to be as topical as it turned out...
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