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Is representational democracy the best form of government and is capitalism the best economic system?

Both together provide for the optimal society
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Democracy is the best form of government, but Capitalism leads to corruption
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Capitalism is the most profitable economic system for all, but Democracy leads to Anarchy and uninformed and unjust laws.
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Both Capitalism and Democracy have severe issues, and societies would be better off searching for alternative forms of government and economy
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Post by ZaryAnne » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:58 pm

Hey Frank,

So I read in your FAQ that you're Libertarian. I'm writing this essay for my socialist philosophy teacher on whether or not a representational democracy is the best form of government and whether or not Capitalism is the best economic system. We're discusses Rawls's, Plato's, and Dahl's opinions on it all.

I was wondering, just out of curiosity, what your opinion is?


Oh, everyone else is welcome to comment too!
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Post by Wez » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:19 am

You have a socialist philosophy teacher? I recommend watching this movie... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/ (with subtitles assuming you don't speak German... for what it is worth, I don't either!).

Meanwhile, I would recommend that your teacher reads, "How to come up with essay topics that are not completely leading... for dummies". Assuming your teacher is actually a smart guy, write about the cultural infrastructure required for these political and economic systems to be successful. How is the move to democracy going in the middle east? What is causing these problems? What are the effects of China moving more towards a more capitalistic model? On world trade? the environment? The people of China?

If your teacher gives high marks to anyone who says anything other than a more detailed version of.... 'it depends...'. Then I suggest you find another school.

For the record, I am not familiar with Rawl's or Plato's opinions, but I believe Dahl favoured a giant peach based economic model. Since I hate peaches, I am glad the idea did not 'take flight' so to speak.

P.S. Yeah, probably shouldn't just dive in to the Ask Frank questions... but he will be drunk somewhere in europe I suspect. No doubt along to give you a better answer shortly.
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Post by ZaryAnne » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 am

Dahl was actually a huge proponent of democracy and capitalism, from as far as I've deduced from reading his book. And I was being a bit harsh on my teacher. He's veryyy liberal.

And ouch on the school front. I go to what's considered the best highschool in the states.

In response to your actual answer to my question. Thanks, I will definitely watch it.
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Post by devilsadvocat » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:43 am

brutally patronising! :P, chuck in stuff from the freedom house index website, if you havnt looked at them they rate countries against certain criteria deciding how democratic they are, you can then compare to life expectency and general standard of living statistics to draw a conclusion, as for economic fuck knows! sorry, again. im definatley not frank, just avoiding my own essay!

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Post by Wez » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:57 am

The Dahl thing was a little joke, there is also a very popular chidren's author by that name after all :wink:. I am not sure if he was as popular in the US, but I am sure you have heard of 'Charlie and the chocolate factory'.

Regarding your teacher, I see now... you were describing your teacher as a socialist. It looked to me like you were taking a subject called 'socialist philosophy'. That would surprise me, especially in the US. 'Die Welle' or 'The wave', is a great great film, about how we all live in naivety about how easy it is for political extremism to take hold and flourish. Since the story begins with a teacher teaching a class on political philosophy, it sprang to mind. Incidentally, I believe it is based on a true story of events at a school in Palo Alto California.

You are right, I was a bit harsh on your teacher, but if he had asked you to write an essay on 'whether Christianity is the best type of religion', wouldn't you be asking a few questions too? If you go to one of the best schools around, it is possible your teacher 'expects' you to pick up on this, so do it.

My school kinda sucked though, so this might all be total bollocks.
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Post by ZaryAnne » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:20 am

Wez wrote:The Dahl thing was a little joke, there is also a very popular chidren's author by that name after all :wink:. I am not sure if he was as popular in the US, but I am sure you have heard of 'Charlie and the chocolate factory'.
You mean James and the Giant Peach?

And the Wave is a great movie. No, the class is called Law and Morality, which doesn't make any sense as a title since it's just about what different philosophers thought about Equality and Justice and Democracy etc.
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Post by Pete » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:46 am

I realise it's obvious, but the best way to address this is to look at the alternatives, examples of them in operation, and whether in your view those scenarios offered a better solution to what we have now. I would say one of your options is a little misleading, there are people out there all the time trying to think of and suggest different ways and means, it's more a case of assessing the validity of these views to society as a whole and whether they could be susceptible to agreeing to their implementation and what the outcome would be.
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Post by Gerry » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 pm

I'm no longer a Libertarian, I'm looking to become a member of the BNP now. British jobs for british workers...

And finally, Adolf Hitler!

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Post by ZaryAnne » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:39 pm

Gerry wrote:I'm no longer a Libertarian, I'm looking to become a member of the BNP now. British jobs for british workers...

And finally, Adolf Hitler!

FTx
BNP? I'm guessing that's the British Nationals Party? Sorry, coming from America I know absolutely nothing about British politics except that it uses a parliamentary democracy as opposed to our "electoral college" one.
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Post by Pete » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:43 pm

ZaryAnne wrote:
Gerry wrote:I'm no longer a Libertarian, I'm looking to become a member of the BNP now. British jobs for british workers...

And finally, Adolf Hitler!

FTx
BNP? I'm guessing that's the British Nationals Party? Sorry, coming from America I know absolutely nothing about British politics except that it uses a parliamentary democracy as opposed to our "electoral college" one.
Gerry's being 'amusing', BNP are indeed our authoritarian racist party. Although the 'British jobs for British workers' slogan was actually adopted by our own Prime Minister, in an indication of just how misguided his public speaking is.
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Post by teamescape » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:05 pm

ZaryAnne wrote:
Gerry wrote:I'm no longer a Libertarian, I'm looking to become a member of the BNP now. British jobs for british workers...

And finally, Adolf Hitler!

FTx
BNP? I'm guessing that's the British Nationals Party? Sorry, coming from America I know absolutely nothing
lololol

Sorry.
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Post by ZaryAnne » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:48 pm

teamescape wrote:
ZaryAnne wrote:
Gerry wrote:I'm no longer a Libertarian, I'm looking to become a member of the BNP now. British jobs for british workers...

And finally, Adolf Hitler!

FTx
BNP? I'm guessing that's the British Nationals Party? Sorry, coming from America I know absolutely nothing
lololol

Sorry.
Ouch.....
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Post by Pete » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:53 pm

In fairness, in my brief time in the States I found Americans remarkably politically informed - a lot more interested in politics than people from the UK. Which isn't that hard in fairness.
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Post by ZaryAnne » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:18 pm

Pete wrote:In fairness, in my brief time in the States I found Americans remarkably politically informed - a lot more interested in politics than people from the UK. Which isn't that hard in fairness.
You were lucky enough to meet the few of us who actually are. Most Americans I know are media sheep.
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Post by Pete » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:25 pm

I think most of the western world is to some degree. In fact, I think most of the political class are the worst kind of media sheep, designing policy specifically based on tabloid pressure.
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