Interesting article - Art is a business

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Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by marowak » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:20 am

I thought a lot of people on here would find this interesting.

It's a piece by Amanda Palmer from the Dresden Dolls about artists making (and losing) money by following a life making art and entertainment.

I know a lot of people who are artists or entertainers and I think 95% of the general population just don't get it. Anyway - have a read.

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Re: Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by Evan » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:02 pm

I enjoyed this.

The Pomplamoose thing - I get what she is saying, but no matter how you looked at that budget, they made some decisions on which they could have spent considerably less money. And the tone of the article he wrote was a bit like "How can this be?" when it was clear that they didn't HAVE to tour like that. Therefore I felt they should kind of shut up. Not because they don't have a right to raise the subject, but because of the way in which they raised it - which I felt was a bit whiny/woe-is-me.

However, she made some valid points about the reality of being a musician that most people simply wouldn't know. The vast majority of the ticket buying public have absolutely no concept regarding the cost or logistics of organising a tour, and seem to think that when the ticket prices go up that the artist is simply getting greedier. But as a musicians stature grows, then so does the circus that surrounds them, and no one works for free. You simply cannot charge a tenner for a gig in a mid size (800+) venue these days. You would nearly be better off financially giving a tenner to everyone who would have bought a ticket instead, and staying at home in front of the telly.

I mean, lets not get it twisted here - Madonna charging £150 for the cheap seats is all about the payday, but I would imagine she has a very expensive lifestyle to maintain and she doesn't tour all that much so it's justified in some manner as her fans are willing to pay it and keep her in gold plated underpants or whatever it is she spends it on.
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Re: Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by marowak » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:11 pm

Evan wrote:The vast majority of the ticket buying public have absolutely no concept regarding the cost or logistics of organising a tour, and seem to think that when the ticket prices go up that the artist is simply getting greedier.
i think some of the things that get forgotten by the public are all the little things that add up - flyer / poster art designer costs, venue & manager fees, fuel costs, accommodation, food, crew, vehicle hire, pa hire etc etc etc

my view on the madonna thing is it all comes down to supply and demand - if people are willing to buy a ticket at £150 and they sell out then there is demand for it. the sad thing is when it creates a rich / poor divide and less wealthy fans are not able to have the opportinuty to even try for tickets because they are priced out of the market from the start.
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Re: Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by Evan » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:13 pm

marowak wrote: my view on the madonna thing is it all comes down to supply and demand - if people are willing to buy a ticket at £150 and they sell out then there is demand for it. the sad thing is when it creates a rich / poor divide and less wealthy fans are not able to have the opportinuty to even try for tickets because they are priced out of the market from the start.
That's the bloody cheap seats. They go up to more than double that for anywhere near the stage. He attitude is "Start saving your pennies now. People spend $300 (£190) on crazy things all the time, things like handbags. So work all year, scrape the money together and come to my show. I'm worth it." I hate Madonna.
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Re: Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by sarahg » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:59 pm

That's really interesting, having read on a couple of occasions that it's the merch revenue that keeps the wheels rolling I have no problem buying it. All you have to do is look at what ft charges for tickets and compare it with what other acts are charging at the same venue. Twice or even three times the value of the ft gig. Plus having seen that massive eff off truck they use to transport all the equipment I am starting to understand the overheads. Not to mention the tour bus.
There are hundreds of very talented musicians out there, it's worth doing a reality check, not everyone can or will make it. End of sadly. But as a music lover I like lending as much support as I can to artists I like and respect.

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Re: Interesting article - Art is a business

Post by Evan » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:30 pm

sarahg wrote:Plus having seen that massive eff off truck they use to transport all the equipment I am starting to understand the overheads. Not to mention the tour bus.
Sometimes they have two tour buses (one for the crew). It's a long way from one man and his young person's rail card.
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