Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by WayItend2B » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:29 am

reitzel6570 wrote:I personally like the Springsteen setlist model. The man has 324 studio tracks to choose from, and usually plays about 27 songs per show. Obviously, he can’t please everyone. Each show there’s about 10 songs that get played at almost every show of the tour (part of the tour theme, new album, or just warhorses or whatever), 10 that are songs from a list of about 30 that are on “every 4 or 5 shows” rotation (songs people want to hear that just don’t get played every night), 3 audience requests (could be anything), 2 that are songs from a list of about 40 that are on a “once in a while” rotation, 1 from a list of about 75 that are on a “Holy shit, I can’t believe he played that” rotation, and 1 cover (often location-specific).

I went to 17 shows on the Wrecking Ball tour, and saw 114* different songs. Frank is mostly also following this model, and he beats Bruce in the “introducing a new song” category. The mix works well for me. I love that mid-set acoustic spot, DieselBenz. It’s just going to get harder as he adds more songs to his catalog, even if he starts doing 3 hour shows.

*And, no, I don’t obsessively keep track of this stuff. Someone else does. You can download complete tour stats here: https://brucebase.wikispaces.com/Tour+Statistics
I was just going to come post something similar to this. I saw Bruce 16 times last year. Know how many times I saw born to run, dancing in the dark and tenth ave freeze out as well as several others? Yep - 16 times. How many times did I dance my ass off to those songs - 16 times. Bruce plays 3 hours and overall his sets are about 80% the same night after night. If I ever get "bored" I know I need to stop going to shows.

I have been a fan since 2010 and I have seen Frank 5 times this year and have gotten at least one rarity at Each show. For an hour and a half show that is fine. His current basic set list includes something for everyone. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you prefer to hear or not hear a song, nobody loves every song an artist does. I had to endure Waiting on a Sunny Day at all 16 Bruce shows and I HATE it - but the truth is...the crowd loves it! Most of the population does not go to multiple shows of an artist and it takes a lot more people than the hard cores to sell out a venue!

Anyways, for me the whole point of seeing Frank, or any live music, is that moment in time never exists before or after that night. Every concert is a different experience even if the set list is exactly the same. Especially with all the energy and effort that Frank and the whole band give every show. So as long as Frank doesn't start becoming rote in his performances, I will keep going to multiple shows even with identical set lists.

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by marowak » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:46 am

The other thing worth remembering is - if you are all bored with set lists - Imagine how Frank & the souls (and other artists) must feel. Playing the same songs 250 times a year ...

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07 04.4 11.5 17.5 08.6 10.11
08 28.3 21.04 13.6 06.7 06.9
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11 12.2 12.5 30.5 27.11
12 13.4 28.11 28.12x2
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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by reitzel6570 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:08 am

I had to endure Waiting on a Sunny Day
LOL. Played at all 129 shows except the last one. Omitted as a nod to all the hard cores who hate it, I'm sure. I'm neutral about it. Sometimes the kid schtick is cute.

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by Watergirl » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:42 am

Great discussion.
I liked the post from the guy from South Africa. Of course it's all relative....
Interesting what Frank wrote about 'Redemption'. I read an interview with the Edge once where he said that mid tempo songs are problematic live (and the latter U2 albums have a lot of them). Ballads and fast songs work well; mid tempo kills the momentum.

Several people have mentioned that they would like to hear more of TDH, and I want to add my voice to that. The songs I would most like to hear are 'Fisher king blues' and 'Oh brother', although I am now wondering if they are of the mid-tempo-momentum-killing type.... But songs can only grow on people if they hear them.

Frank has often said that he sees himself as an entertainer, and part of the job there I guess is to ensure that people are going to come back next time. The setlists as they are are perfect for that. One or two rarities to please the diehards are great though, and to be fair at most gigs I have been to I got one or two of them. The solo shows are more varied, but there aren't any coming up....

Several people have brought up Bruce. I saw three of his shows in a row in Ireland this summer, which brought a total of 103 songs, including 66 different ones. On this last tour Bruce really went out of his way to include the odd song that hadn't been played for years: 'Man at the top', 'Fade away', 'The price you pay' (the guy who requested that apparently had been carrying a sign since 1988!). Of course in a three and a half hour set you can afford more rarities, and non-diehards are always going to go to the bar or the toilet at some point anyway (weaklings!). After those three shows I still had a quibble though. I had wanted him to play more of 'Wrecking ball'.

I have thought about how I feel about bands of whom I am a more casual fan. Bellowhead, for example. They never come to Ireland, so I manage to catch them at a festival in England once a year. I don't know their stuff terribly well, but they have a number of songs that work amazingly well live, and I would be very disappointed if they dropped them. It must be the same for casual FT fans.
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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by tampateri » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:48 pm

Yeah I only get to see him maybe once a year when he ventures down into the penis of the US so I'm completely happy with whatever he plays.

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by marowak » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:28 pm

I remember back in the day when Oasis were around and touring - every single gig they did had the same set night after night after night after night ... For each album release it was the same ,,, When they played their big gigs at Knebworth the set was exactly the same both nights.

Now that was boring.
06 06.3 08.8
07 04.4 11.5 17.5 08.6 10.11
08 28.3 21.04 13.6 06.7 06.9
09 11.1 06.2 21.4 10.10 29.10
10 23.3 16.7 12.12
11 12.2 12.5 30.5 27.11
12 13.4 28.11 28.12x2
13 10.1 24.6 11.7 12.7
14 12.2 13.2 14.9 17.12
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16 10.12 12.12

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by marowak » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:29 pm

tampateri wrote:when he ventures down into the penis of the US .
what an amazing line ...
06 06.3 08.8
07 04.4 11.5 17.5 08.6 10.11
08 28.3 21.04 13.6 06.7 06.9
09 11.1 06.2 21.4 10.10 29.10
10 23.3 16.7 12.12
11 12.2 12.5 30.5 27.11
12 13.4 28.11 28.12x2
13 10.1 24.6 11.7 12.7
14 12.2 13.2 14.9 17.12
15 29.1 02.2 13.8 7.11
16 10.12 12.12

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by Baudelaire » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:56 pm

OP here, feel like I should clarify my point. I'm not asking for a setlist filled with rarities aimed at nothing but hardcore fans at all. I'm saying there is a few songs on the regular setlist that I think could do with a shake-up. I'm talking about songs like If Ever I Stray, Peggy Sang The Blues, Substitute, Glory Hallelujah etc. Songs that don't need to be played (you know what I mean by need, Photosynthesis, I Still Believe etc.), but still are almost every show. I feel as if there is a whole bunch of songs just as well loved by fans that could be played instead and mixed up every show for a less generic setlist, eg. Poetry of the Deed, Live Fast Die Old, Fisher King Blues, To Take You Home, Our Lady of the Campfire, Nashville Tennessee, One Foot Before the Other. I also think the setlists have a little too much EKMB, even the TDH tour had more EKMB than any other album.

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by tiffiny » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:05 pm

In 27 gigs I've made one request and it was incredibly special to me. There are songs I get tired of hearing and songs I think I get tired of hearing, but are still awesome live. Honestly I don't ever have a bad time and I know frank & co have a bit better idea of what the audience at large will enjoy. I'm obviously a fan and will continue to be- the live show isn't to recruit me but I still have a damn good time and will continue to go to an excess amount of them.
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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by ScarletPlanetMoon » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:10 pm

Maybe I just haven't been to enough Frank shows for this to be a problem to me, but I don't mind a core set. There are 6 songs that I've heard every time I've seen him (I keep a list - don't ask), and some that I've only heard once. I feel lucky for example to have requested and got My Kingdom For A Horse. But I dunno... I don't have a problem with a core set of songs. I would like to hear some more of the rarer songs, who wouldn't, and there are some songs I would LOVE to hear live (Thunder Road, The Ballad Of Me And My Friends, The Fisher King Blues and more). I think maybe some of the songs have run their course, that could maybe do with being given a rest, and maybe replaced with some older songs.

Of course, whatever happened, there would be people who aren't happy. That's just the nature of the beast. But like I said, maybe I haven't been to enough shows yet to be bored of the setlists.
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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by reitzel6570 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:37 am

Here's the man himself talking about setlist construction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_nikWyVSE

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by Bella » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:05 am

I try (honest! ;-) ) not to request songs of musicians - they have to get up there and play for us, and they make it look easy, when it isn't always as easy and fun as they make it look

I have not yet been to a show of Frank's either solo or full band where I came out thinking any kind of negative thoughts over the set list - ever, and I've been to one or two.... not as many as some - but 4 out of 6 on the April 2013 tour - and not bored at all, it was amazing!

while I try not to request (I don't always succeed, I have asked for a song now and again) ther are definitly songs I would love to hear live (our lady of the campfires), or would like to hear a particular version of live (Sons of Liberty with Matt and Nigel drumming together - and uber fantasy would be Sons of Liberty with Matt and Nigel drumming together and the amazing Anna Jenkins from Emily Barker and The Red Clay Halo providing the violin solo... that would be STUNNING to hear live!!) or a song I have heard but is still a rarity (I'm so greedy.... [Pass It Along just in case you were wondering]) but as much as I want to hear those things - they are a fantasy list for me. If they make it into a set on a day when I am there that would be the best surprise super bonus - they won't detract from the rest of the set, they would be... extra layer of iceing on the cake,..

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by Watergirl » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:32 am

Baudelaire wrote:OP here, feel like I should clarify my point. I'm not asking for a setlist filled with rarities aimed at nothing but hardcore fans at all. I'm saying there is a few songs on the regular setlist that I think could do with a shake-up. I'm talking about songs like If Ever I Stray, Peggy Sang The Blues, Substitute, Glory Hallelujah etc. Songs that don't need to be played (you know what I mean by need, Photosynthesis, I Still Believe etc.), but still are almost every show. I feel as if there is a whole bunch of songs just as well loved by fans that could be played instead and mixed up every show for a less generic setlist, eg. Poetry of the Deed, Live Fast Die Old, Fisher King Blues, To Take You Home, Our Lady of the Campfire, Nashville Tennessee, One Foot Before the Other. I also think the setlists have a little too much EKMB, even the TDH tour had more EKMB than any other album.
Your point is very clear, Baudelaire, and you phrase it well. I agree with all you said (though I would keep "If ever I stray"; everyone's opinion is going to differ slightly here). True also about the TDH tour having more EKMB than TDH songs. Looks like many posters are keen on hearing ''Fisher king blues". Then again, people who post on forums are not your average fan.
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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by tampateri » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:58 pm

marowak wrote:
tampateri wrote:when he ventures down into the penis of the US .
what an amazing line ...

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Re: Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the setlists?

Post by smige2 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:50 pm

I found this to be an issue when I was seeing Frank more regularly, mostly around the Poetry of the Deed era. It can be frustrating when there are certain songs you'd love to hear but which never get played, whilst there are other songs you like less which are played every night. Of course, it's understandable that not everyone at the gig will have seen Frank before and will want to hear the more popular songs, just as you would if it was your first show. This being said, it's disheartening to consider that the setlists are effectively being dictated by people who chatter over Redemption. How could you?!
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