HMV and record shops

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HMV and record shops

Post by Fortunate Son » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:30 am

Just totting it up in my head last night, when I was a teenager in the late 80's in fairly unspectacular Folkestone, I could buy "new" records in :-

2 independent record shops, and
Debenhams, WH Smith, Boots, Our Price and Woolworths

I know that downloads are convenient and all, and sharing and discovering music can be easy and rewarding online.....

Maybe it's just me, but I think "the kids" are missing out a bit on the whole concept of killing time browsing through the racks finding cool stuff to buy

So, FTHC forum, how do you buy your music these days ?

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by marowak » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:08 am

Fortunate Son wrote:So, FTHC forum, how do you buy your music these days ?
depends largely on the artist i guess.

I actually use labels a lot - so I get all the Frank, Beans, Chris TT albums direct from Xtra Mile.
Some music I get from a local record shop in Brighton and others off itunes.

Bit of everywhere I guess ....

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by smithyramfan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:38 am

These days I usually either go directly to the label or artists website or go to amazon, especially their used section. There's a few places here in Lincoln where i can find used CDs but theres not a large selection. The main reason I'll be annoyed to see HMV go is just it was a way to spend time while on family shopping trips, I rarely buy stuff there these days except for new releases
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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by KangarooAlice » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:49 am

Tend to use play.com, cos of free delivery. Always buy headphones from HMV though, because they have Sennheiser. It's convinient, but definitely pricey and never really has what I want. Still think independent record shops are good though, because owners have more input into what they stock.
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Post by bm1344 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:22 am

I, as a "youth" would much prefer to hold a physical CD in my hand, rather than a compressed, leased digital version. However that does normally mean Amazon rather than HMV. For the Coldplay Bluray/CD everywhere (the record label, HMV ONLINE!, amazon, online etc) was charging £15. HMV decided to charge £20. I was unimpressed as I decided to go down to HMV and get it, just to be ripped off. Sorta explains why they are now in administration!

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by Watergirl » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:31 pm

I'm old-fashioned... I love browsing in record shops and still buy most of my CDs there. I buy a lot of CDs at gigs and festival stands too.
In Dublin we're not too badly off. There is still a great Tower Records and some good small specialist shops (Claddagh Records, Celtic Note, Sound Cellar, Secret Book and Record Shop). I was in London recently and spent a whole afternoon in Fopp and the still excellent HMV at Oxford Circus. The country/folk/world music section in the basement of that HMV was great and I will be very sad to see that go.
There is a nice book about this sad phenomenon, "Last shop standing", by Graham Jones. I believe there's a film too, but I haven't seen it.
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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by queequeg99 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:34 pm

A little bit from everywhere. The last 5-6 albums I picked up were off bandcamp. I think 2 or 3 came with physical copies (rest were digital downloads only). Otherwise, I tend to frequent one of our local shops (Music Millennium or Everyday Music). I've also picked up more than a couple of discs at shows (usually for opening acts I hear for the first time). And Amazon is also a good source (especially for larger classical music sets).

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by newmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:29 pm

It was the arrival of the likes of HMV and Virgin that I think helped kill off all the indie record shops in my hometown, so I have mixed feelings about this.

This having been said, I have, of course, spent a fair bit of time and money in HMV (especially when I lived in Reading and knew one of the managers who would give me a nice little mates rate) over the years buying CDs and DVDs, but can't say I've done so much in the last couple of years. When I buy things now it's mostly online direct from the band or label, or through an indie like Banquet if they've got want I want in stock. I tend not to buy CDs or DVDs now though, I'm happy to do most of my listening through Spotfiy and viewing through online services. If I really like a musician/band and spend money on physical copies, it's more than likely going to be on vinyl with the occasional CD.

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Post by Pete » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:37 pm

Technology is a very double edged sword. If you sat and listed all the things you used to do as a teenager in the 80s that you remember nostalgically and compare to how you do things now, lots is very different today. I mean, hell, you're raising this on an internet message board to a large group of people who you've possibly never met any of in real life. Not sure your teenage self did that in the eighties... He'd have probably had to go to a pub, gig or festival to have a similar conversation.

This isn't a criticism by the way, I often have the same thoughts, it's just that it's almost all pervading, things like HMV closing down is merely a footnote in technology invading all aspects of life.
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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by darlenet. » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:27 pm

Pete wrote:Technology is a very double edged sword.
Truer words were never spoken. I'm raising teenagers, and while I love technology, helping my children to balance it is my greatest parenting challenge.

In regards to music, I'm old enough that I still pay for music (artists that I like and respect) primarily. I use bandcamp a lot, labels, and if I have to, Amazon mp3's are cheaper than iTunes. I do rip mp3's off of YouTube if it's a great live performance and I want it. ;)

There are 4 decent record shops in my town, that I scope out for older used stuff, and one record shop Called "Hear Again Music" that has new vinyls. Pretty good variety. Never been one to go to large chains- can't stand the music playing overhead, and all the other junk you have to wade through.

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by Unorthadox1080 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:45 pm

I hate to say it, but I use itunes first and foremost. however if it's something i want a physical copy of amazon is still the first place i look. Buying from a shop i would always try and support a local record store over HMV. But I suppose one less place to browse for CD's is a bad thing

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Post by xandmatt » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:17 pm

I use a mixture of Google Play, Bandcamp and buying from the artist. The odd occasion I use Amazon if I can't find something anywhere else.

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by Blonde » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:38 pm

The last year I've got most of my CDs from merch tables or direct from the record label. I do like going into HMV and just browsing and seeing what else I want alongside what I actually went in for. If I'm buying older releases then I tend to try in Fopp first before going elsewhere. I also buy albums from Crash Records in Leeds and Banquet Records, although because of locations, this is mostly through their website, or over the phone in the case of Crash.

I only tend to download singles or b-sides as I prefer to have a physical copy to listen to on my hi-fi instead of on my laptop. Very rarely do I download whole albums.

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Post by Lottie » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:46 pm

It's amazon/play.com most of the time for me, unless I'm in London (which I am a reasonable amount, because it's not too far) in which case I'll make an effort to go into the smaller places because I like browsing. Nothing beats it. There is a decent sized HMV nearby and I'll have a look in there sometimes, but to be honest I rarely buy much because of the prices. Mind you that said, last time I went in (quite a while ago) I got about 6 albums for £3 each, so it really does depend.

I only tend to download singles, or if an album is significantly cheaper. I much prefer a physical album though.

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Re: HMV and record shops

Post by TheBigJT » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:58 pm

I still really prefer to buy a physical copy and will only get something digitally if that's the only option. But, it's become increasingly more challenging to find a shop with any selection at all here. (So. Cal., which like London is obviously a huge area for music creation and production).

I live in the suburbs of Orange County, and off the top of my head can only think of two somewhat local shops where I can find any selection at all (and one of those is slipping badly and I expect it to disappear at some point). A bit further I can think of three more. (Fingerprintz in Long Beach, Amoeba in Hollywood and Mad Platter in Riverside...each of those are at least an hour drive each way to shop). All the huge chains have fallen away, there's some small selection at each Best Buy, Walmart, Target or Barnes & Noble...but each of those are hit and miss. For example I was shocked the the other day to see the local Best Buy had a copy of Frank's compilation. I searched multiple stores to find "England Keep...", and finally had to order it on line a couple years ago.

I used to browse for hours at Tower, the Virgin MegaStore and even worked about five years back in high school/college (late 70's, early 80's) for the Wherehouse Records (another defunct chain.) My first stop on my first trip to London back in the 90's was Oxford Street Virgin, followed by Tower at Piccadilly Circus. Now, my only decent option seems to be direct order or Amazon. The thing about that is, you sort of have to know what you want to look for, and that makes finding new things more of a challenge. I can think of dozens of records/bands I discovered via instore play, a listening station...or even just a cool cover that caught my eye. I can't get that same experience off of a web browser. I guess I'm just a dinosaur now.

One thing not mentioned is the new Amazon policy of providing a digital copy when you order a physical copy. They just rolled that out last week, and I've already added a couple albums I'd ordered to my library before the physical copies arrive. There's some positives in that model....Time saving and immediate gratification. But, I suspect there are some lurking issues too, I just haven't figured them out yet. It'll be interesting to see how it all progresses.

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