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Post by RyanL » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:49 am

Anyone else see the bit about the gov't deciding to go back on their word and now refuse to destroy innocent person's DNA that they have collected?
Rought luck that,, i'd be unhappy.
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Post by moomin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:03 pm

wonder if anyone can help me with a little confusion

On Monday night when it was all kicking off in London
we have a load of sirens and police vans screaming around Battersea and Clapham Junction. BBM's were being sent around saying meet at Junction at 21:00 and be ready. So there was a time and a place organised. Asda was meant to be a main target so the store did close up early much to the dismay of the customers (hello gangs forming outside after two days of rioting and looting and you are more concerned with getting a pint of milk?) JD Sports and the O2 store had already been targeted before 17:00 that night so lots of police milling around getting people moving along. However come 21:00 there were hardly any police around, although it did kick off at that time there were no sirens.

So where did the police go?
was this a tactical move to limit casualties?
I mean looking at the Peckham trouble and Tottenham the police presence caused a lot of riot damage and made it more a riot than looting stores. Car and buildings set alight and missiles made and thrown at the police line, but in Clapham this wasn't done as there wasn't a police line. They seemed to wait until it was getting too out of control and the fires started before moving in. Like they were waiting for the crimes to be carried out before stopping the kids doing it.
Or was it they were needed in other areas like Peckham and Croydon so therefore couldnt defend The Junction?
Just seems a bit odd that despite knowing this was going to happen and having a police presence earlier in the day that it dissolved to next to nothing when it did actually kick off.
There are a ton of Police stations around this area as well so we aren't short of a copper or two.

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Post by Evan » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:08 pm

I think overall the Police were overstretched and deployed to areas where there was trouble already happening. So when it kicked off in Clapham, to deploy enough of the force over there to get it under control would take some time to round up. First come, first served kind of thing? I mean there is no point sending 10 cops round there to try and stop 200 people as you will never win that way, so maybe it was decided that tactically they were better off where they were??

Obviously I do not know, but this is my opinion.
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Post by Lewis » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:56 pm

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Post by Clur » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:16 pm

To be perfectly honest, I would be more worried if they weren't blaming music for encouraging kids to be morally bankrupt. Every generation has done that.

And ironically, music has generally proved itself to be exactly the opposite in being a channel for venting frustration or an opinion that isn't voiced by other mediums in a more constructive way than smashing shit up.

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Post by FelipeS » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:26 pm

Oh yeah you can't forget about video games starting the riots too....

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... ndon-Riots
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Post by Clur » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:18 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/au ... cial-media

Seriously, IS this 2011 or 1984?

Banning social media? Or access to social media? On any grounds? WTF!
Even considering it, is madness.

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Post by Pete » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:45 pm

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Post by strange musings » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:23 am

Russell Brand comments on the riots...le sigh
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... vidcameron

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Post by Clur » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:31 pm

Best be careful what you say on facebook, this forum or the internets in general... forget the 4 year sentences for the facebook riot pages... this is worse:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... ed-rioters
12 month ban from facebook, 120 hours' community service, a 12-month youth rehabilitation order and a curfew between 7pm and 6am for three months for saying
"I think we should start rioting, it's about time we stopped the authorities pushing us about and ruining this country.

"It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters – get some. LOL."
Which he removed after friends called him an idiot.

Remind you of anything?
Orwell's 1984:
It is the job of the Thought Police to uncover and punish thoughtcrime and thought-criminals, using psychology and omnipresent surveillance from telescreens to find and eliminate members of society who were capable of the mere thought of challenging ruling authority
Fucking frightening. Especially, when you think of all the 'controversial comments' you may have made in the past and the context in which you make them.

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Post by Emitime » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:00 pm

Though I agree that's ridiculous;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-yo ... e-14558312

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Post by Sport Monkey » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:15 pm

Looks like Libya is free.

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Post by adbusters » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:57 pm

so people on benefits are being forced to work for free in Tesco's,Poundland or Sainsburys to keep them. Wow is the next step towards the complete corporate dominanace of our country. They have a potential of 2.62 million jobseekers to get their free workforce from think of the amazing profits they will post,yay

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Re: Politics / Current Affairs / Blog thread

Post by selfishbi_atch101 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:59 am

I was just wondering... in light of recent events and deaths, what is the current state of Polemics (also, looking back at Clur's post on controversial comments/thought police) ?
What I mean to ask is, whether people feel that in our use of post-(post?)modern theories and political correctness, is it no longer appropriate to claim one's views as the 'right and truthful' answer?

Cameron embracing Christianity seems to highlight this and it got me thinking about how, perhaps, the act of 'not taking sides' (something which I thought I have often tried to follow and promote) has turned into an act of pointless* ideology. Like... Strinati claims "rather than dismantling the hierarchy of aesthetic and cultural taste, postmodernism erects a new one, placing itself at the top".

It pains me to think that certainty might be a more 'freeing' way of approaching politics but, when I re-read this: http://foucault.info/foucault/interview.html ...and further exploration of Zizek (indebtedness to Ravi for that find), I wonder how we will ever help one another if we are still grappling around with fragmented 'values'... ?

Season's Greetings x

*not that I want to illustrate any pun on my previous issues with a male leader forging through with patriarchal systems
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