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Post by Pete » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:28 am

Gotta love the Chinese.
frank wrote:Think of it like weight-lifting. High notes are heavy weights.

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Post by devilsadvocat » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Climate change has to be one of the most irreconsilible issues on the global agenda. We had our turn at fucking the planet, now they want theirs, fair play i say, roll on widespread nuclear power

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Post by KatyS » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:15 pm

okay proper should of read this thread before posting in the i have nothing to say thread, i blame whoever posted before me though... very good article.

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Post by evannn » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:09 pm

or one could read a contrasting article, and put something completely different. its not fair to look at just one viewpoint before replacing your own opinion...

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Post by KatyS » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:19 pm

excuse me??

i was merely remarking on my previous post of the link to the same article in another thread, i am aware there are alternative views on the topic but i found this illuminating and interesting and thought i'd share it. not sure what's "not fair" about that....

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Post by Pete » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:47 pm

Free laptops for the poor anyone?
frank wrote:Think of it like weight-lifting. High notes are heavy weights.

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Post by devilsadvocat » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:03 pm

I iimediatley thought of coming on here when i read that story, more specifically you doing your nut Pete!

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Post by Pete » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:11 pm

It's just ludicrous. £300m? That's approx £1,111 per laptop - how the fuck are they getting that figure? Why laptops? Surely desktops are cheaper?! Can't you recycle all the old ones that are being chucked? How do you define poor? If those people have Sky / Cable packages would they be immediately discounted from being involved? How do you stop people ebaying them? Why was this never done for telephones which are probably considered, to me at least, more vital?! What happens when they break them?

It is the most ill conceived plan in the history of plans! They say it's part of their commitment to 'aspiration' - really?! If you don't work for something you'll get it for free. Yep, fucking makes me aspire for sure. Aspire to hide any wealth I get to stop me being sucked dry. But then it was the next logical step I suppose, we pay for Jacqui Smith's husband's porn we may as well roll it out across the nation.
frank wrote:Think of it like weight-lifting. High notes are heavy weights.

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Post by devilsadvocat » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:53 pm

Desktops would be cheaper but the idea is kids take them to school with them and use them for everything. Your right a grand is alot for a laptop, but this 300m is a budget for the whole scheme i.e paying the people who define poor and dish them out, and would imagine some kind of support and repair scheme. It seems like alot but surely its better to assess who would get the most from a laptop than dishing them out willy nilly?

As for "If you dont work for something you get it for free" its not the poor kids fault they dont have a laptop its their parents. Ive said it before, liberal democratic parties such as Labour stem from the Ideology of equality at birth,not equality of opportunity. I had access to a computer when I was a kid, it helped alot with my schooling, why shouldnt these kids? Yes some people will take bad care of them or try and sell them, but id like to think a lot of kids will have some benefit. You appear to have a very scaremongerish inflamed view of the poor!

As for reusing old ones, surely it would cost more in man hours to sift through the old crap ones, re boot any that are good etc than to order a few thousand new ones? I dread to think wha a large consultancy firm would quote! :P

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Post by devilsadvocat » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:01 pm

Another exciting topic, Conservatives framing of "Broken Britain" with an emphasis on familly values,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8451861.stm

A step towards friendly libetarian communities Pete or the meddling hand of the nanny state?

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Post by Pete » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:03 pm

devilsadvocat wrote:Another exciting topic, Conservatives framing of "Broken Britain" with an emphasis on familly values,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8451861.stm

A step towards friendly libetarian communities Pete or the meddling hand of the nanny state?
I wish Cameron would shut the fuck up, I hate him almost as much as Brown these days, god help us if he's serious with half the shit he's come out with in the last month or two. Read Bishops Hill, he deals with parenting (in particular home schooling) and government intervention in the home in a far more articulate and eloquent manner than i could ever hope.
frank wrote:Think of it like weight-lifting. High notes are heavy weights.

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Post by George » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:05 am

Re the laptop plan: perhaps a bit ill concieved on a practical level but otherwise a really admirable attempt at closing the rich poor divide in achievement. Although i can already hear greg fuming. 'you see thing is these kids are poor, they arn't supposed to have laptops'

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Post by George » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:08 am

devilsadvocat wrote:Another exciting topic, Conservatives framing of "Broken Britain" with an emphasis on familly values,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8451861.stm

A step towards friendly libetarian communities Pete or the meddling hand of the nanny state?
He said research by Demos suggested that good parenting was more important than wealth in determining life chances and he said it was important that the "right structures" were in place to build "strong and secure families".
i.e David Cameron believes poorer children are just raised worse than rich ones.

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Post by Pete » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:10 am

George wrote:Re the laptop plan: perhaps a bit ill concieved on a practical level but otherwise a really admirable attempt at closing the rich poor divide in achievement. Although i can already hear greg fuming. 'you see thing is these kids are poor, they arn't supposed to have laptops'
Are you trolling or being very naive? Do you really think this is anything more than a desperate vote grabbing attempt? I'm genuinely interested, because you do seem like a switched on poster who knows his shit and I cannot believe you think this is admirable. It's fucking cynical, disgusting, ill-conceived and not in any way practical.

DA - I fortunately managed to miss your post on this yesterday, but now I've had the misfortune of perusing, I'd say political ideology is all very well, when you can give me a cogent plan of exactly how we're going to repay our deficit and then find a further £300m to lavish on a completely unneccessary scheme then I'll maybe consider your ideology possible to implement.

I'd also point you both towards the front page story in the FT today regarding the sudden leap in companies going to the capital markets with bond issues. This is because most fear interest rates are set to jump. The pain for the average joe bloggs in this country has only just begun, QE has made it such that we are set for a long period of very high interest rates, meaning anyone who doesn't have a long term fixed mortgage, or a very secure job with a big buffer between what they take home and their mortgage payments, will be up shits creek without a paddle. Then we'll have a good few hundred thousand more people left losing their houses, who will then cost a hell of a lot more than £300m to rehouse by our wonderful state. I really struggle to comprehend how people don't realise just how broke and fucked this country is, the next decade or so should go a long way towards showing people that a state cannot just give money out for free, it has to pay it back.
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Post by Emitime » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:00 pm

Hurray. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... ed-illegal. A tiny bit of privacy back(!)

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